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Post by armedandsafe on Apr 13, 2015 0:50:29 GMT -6
The roll crimp on a brass is only about 15* lean, not the full roll you see with paper shells. We still use waterglass (or airplane glue) to seal the top wad, just cause. Pops
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Post by MSGTR on Apr 13, 2015 7:28:54 GMT -6
I understand that, Alpo, having been reloading 16Ga for about 30 years. I just don't understand why my two pumps won't reliably eject star crimped hulls while they will roll crimped hulls. I suspect if I were interested enough I could start taking measurements while firing a large number of star crimped. I solved the problem, FOR ME, by switching to brass hulls. Lazy? ME? Naaaaaaaaah Pops My Moss-500 and 590 were the same way; the Walmart shells that weren't brass based would not eject easily.
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Post by Alpo on Apr 13, 2015 9:42:41 GMT -6
Should I now make a nasty comment about Mossberg shotguns?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 2:02:18 GMT -6
Shotguns!!!! We say bore, you say gauge. I suppose we all know what 12 or 28 or 10 bore means? How it came about?? Always fancied a 10b, just because. Never owned or fired one.
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Post by MSGTR on Apr 14, 2015 8:43:32 GMT -6
Should I now make a nasty comment about Mossberg shotguns? No.. It was used, it was cheap, it fit the "household defense" billet, and it works fine. The 590 I won in a drawing, then sold it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 11:52:50 GMT -6
I used Mossbergs. The only concern was the amount of grinding away inside the receiver. Having said that they remained reliable. I would always pick up an 870 if their was one.
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Post by MSGTR on Apr 15, 2015 8:13:04 GMT -6
I wanted light/short. Tom's Winchester model 12 is hard to manuver in tight quarters being almost 4 foot long! I put the walnut furniture away and fitted it with Blackhawk plastic; I wanted a better grip on things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 9:47:48 GMT -6
Nice, Is the Winchester 12 the one you can cycle and fire, as in hold the trigger back and cycle and fire..... I had one once and am sure it was a 12. Amazing for close up but hard to use with any accuracy.
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Post by Alpo on Apr 15, 2015 12:48:11 GMT -6
Model 12s did not have a disconnector.
Many people make a big thing about, "Oooooo, you can SLAM-FIRE a Model 12" or an 1893 or an 1897 or an 1890 or an Ithaca 37 or a Savage 520/320/820 (I think they were all the same gun, at various times). Me, personally, I figger that it was not a case of "leave the disconnector out, so it can be shot very rapidly", but more that no one ever saw a reason to put a disconnector in the design. John Browning thought that people had walking-about sense, and would know to take their fingers off the trigger.
It's like, if you hold the trigger back, on a Single Action Army, you can just pull the hammer back and let it slip from under your thumb. "Slip-firing" is extremely fast, for those that have practiced, but that is not the reason the gun was made that way. It probably never occurred to Mr. Colt that people would shoot that way. He undoubtedly thought that people would PULL the trigger, RELEASE the trigger, COCK the gun, PULL the trigger again. That's just - kinda natural.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 12:54:57 GMT -6
Alpo, you reminded me of the Ithaca 37. Great gun. I had a police model once, fairly rough wood, matt finish, skinny forend, rifle sights. Really reliable and smooth despite only one action bar.
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Post by Alpo on Apr 15, 2015 14:15:24 GMT -6
That's what mine is. The police model, 20" barrel, four-round tube, packerized, corn-cob forearm, rifle rear sight, and a plastic fluorescent orange front blade in the ramp. I think they invented the "day glo" sight. At least that's the earliest I can remember seeing one - on Ithaca cop guns. Wish it had a longer tube, but hell, can't have everthing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 5:35:19 GMT -6
I have good memories of the Ithica. You know one thing with firearms always scared the heck out of me, that when needed, one would fail. Failure to feed, extract or a lock or mag failure. If I ever had a piece or magazine that didn't work correctly, it was into the bin (trash) with it. The point is the Ithica, like the Rem 870 was 100% trustworthy. As long as they were maintained and properly lubed of course.
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Post by MSGTR on Apr 17, 2015 8:38:15 GMT -6
That's the key; maintained and properly lubed.
I have a Sterling 380 Mk 400 that suffered a bad reputation. Mine works well because I take care of it.
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Post by luckyjack on Apr 17, 2015 15:54:35 GMT -6
.......Mine works well because I take care of it. Generally speaking, most things do!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 12:25:20 GMT -6
True luckyjack, but one might be using a firearm while someone is shooting at you. The best immediate action drills in the world cant always compensate. It was always my biggest fear. If ever carrying for defence I would test and test and test again. Each mag numbered, any failures logged and as I said, faulty parts binned.
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