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Post by shooteruk on Aug 17, 2018 14:14:23 GMT -6
I dont know quite how to say this, but my long association with the US makes me feel I have to. Many in the US seem blinded to whats happening. Trump is destroying the US, not making it great again. He is driving away allies, cozying up to enemies and using obvious tried and tested methods, used by Stalin for one. He attacks anyone who speaks against him, making enemies of the security services and media. Eventually there will be none left and he can do what he likes. He is causing more trouble in the world than you can imagine. Many MAGA folk seem blinded to this. He is making the US a laughing stock and honestly it upsets me a great deal.
The lessons he takes from Stalin include declaring war on the press, anything he doesn't like is fake news. He is clearing out the security services of anyone who doesn't like him or has investigated him. Its so blatant and in plain sight, its crazy. He is working fast, and may soon be unstoppable. You no longer have a president, you have a king. We in the UK clipped the kings powers centuries ago, we can see whats happening, cant you?
Possibly the worse thing for me is seeing the delight of those who dislike the US. Those ill informed and bias people are enjoying this, and its upsetting.
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Post by jwrauch on Aug 18, 2018 21:02:55 GMT -6
BS aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaALERT !!! Sorry Shooter !!! You are reading or listening to the Lame Stream Media way too much !!!
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Post by shooteruk on Aug 19, 2018 1:14:49 GMT -6
BS aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaALERT !!! Sorry Shooter !!! You are reading or listening to the Lame Stream Media way too much !!! So your saying the things I am reading and seeing on the media are untrue, or misleading? First, if your correct I will be delighted. If your wrong, the US is facing the most terrible threat to its security and standing in the world.
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Post by blackcat on Aug 19, 2018 13:46:25 GMT -6
Maybe because I am European, but I see the facts like Tranter told. ...and it is not pleasant…
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Post by shooteruk on Aug 19, 2018 14:36:51 GMT -6
BC, we are sadly wasting our time. Your Roman Empire ended, as did our British Empire. Like many others before they rose and fell in time. The power and future of the US is now in question, no doubt to the delight of Putin and the Chinese. If they listen to their intelligence and security professionals there may still be time, but too many cant see whats really happening, or dont want to.
I spent my life singing the praises of the US. The technology, science, literature and art. The industry the ethic of hard work. Democracy and free speech. That it should be reduced to this farce is so very sad.
'Make America Great Again'? Thats a joke spun by a great used car salesman. You see it is great, and never stopped being great. Why cant they see that? Cant they see they're being sold new coke, while classic is still on the shelf...
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Post by jwrauch on Aug 19, 2018 20:33:49 GMT -6
So you two would have preferred Hitlery Clinton, as that witch was our alternative. Trump is not a politician and that is a huge plus to those of us that are his supporters. As for making enemies of the media and intelligence services(only the higher ups in intelligence) they declared war on him ever since his inauguration as they were unable to admit that Clinton/Obama lost. Taking away Brennan's security clearance was a wise move since Brennan no longer works in government and has been a Trump hater from the start and he was cashing in on his previous position .The only reason for a former government official to retain a security clearance is if he would be needed to advise the government. As ridiculously partisan as Brennan has been no president in his right mind would consider listening to him. Brennan is upset because now he may not be able to cash in as well on his prior position. If you get your news from MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, Etc , you are getting the liberal , socialist , progressive , party line. I think Fox News is still a pretty good source.
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Post by shooteruk on Aug 20, 2018 12:24:47 GMT -6
I have no say, not a US citizen you see. Not my business, indeed I took offence when Obama took sides in our EU referendum, so I wont do so. I have never seen the US so divided, and its a shame.
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Post by jwrauch on Aug 20, 2018 13:20:49 GMT -6
The division in our country is primarily a result of the Obama misadministration and will probably take a while longer to heal !! If the Hildabeast had been elected we would probably be in the throws of a civil war !!
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Post by eddien on Aug 20, 2018 19:56:06 GMT -6
Trump is trying to bring us back from what that wannabe dictator did for the previous 8 years. The media won't tell anybody about that stuff. And they won't say anything good about Mr. Trump. They are on the side of all our enemies.
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Post by shooteruk on Aug 21, 2018 9:00:27 GMT -6
OK, I am giving up on this but everyone in the world, except the in the US knows Trump is in Putins pocket. Thats that.... Its a fact, and its more dangerous than you can imagine. Dont bother arguing, I will go no further with this because its a waste of time.
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Post by Enfield on Aug 21, 2018 13:03:47 GMT -6
I don't generally talk politics but have to say even way down here in NZ the impression that Shooteruk gives about Trump is correct.
As you know us in NZ are not particularly pro or against the US, we just tend to tell it like it is and let the world get out with things.
As is common in many situations those closest to an issue struggle to see the cause.
Anyways that's my thoughts, a perspective from another country....far away from the US and UK.
Best to all
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Post by jwrauch on Aug 22, 2018 19:59:14 GMT -6
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Post by shooteruk on Aug 23, 2018 10:46:42 GMT -6
jwrauch, you may be right. I said I wouldnt argue and I wont, however.....
If your wrong the USA will be harmed in the coming months far more than you can imagine. Credibility has already gone and the US a laughing stock, but you can live with that. Many friends gone, you will get by I am sure. But the infrastructure of your economy, exports and home market will hurt a great deal. There are already factories in the US laying staff off because orders are disappearing. One reason is increased manufacture costs (US made steel products now too expensive), another export tariffs (Retaliatory tariffs making US made products too expensive and many now looking to move manufacture abroad, thus more lay offs), thats Trumps tariff war. Tariffs may sound a great idea, its a terrible one.
As a lifelong supporter of the US this all makes me very sad. Worse thing is, as so many in the US dont see whats going on, it wont stop until too late.
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Post by shooteruk on Aug 28, 2018 7:36:27 GMT -6
It remains beyond my understanding that intelligent people, some whos opinions I otherwise respect can still support Trump. His behaviour is a mix between a badly behaved child and classic Stalinism. That he remains with so much power and that so many in power have recognised whats happening, defies reason.
The US president is often described, (in the US only) as 'The leader of the free world'. Nonsense of course, but Trump believes it.
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Post by jwrauch on Aug 28, 2018 18:54:08 GMT -6
What about the economic results we are seeing Our military is stronger. Granted he is a jerk, but he is getting results , and with our form of government he can only do so much before congress or the courts step in. I think many here feared Obozzo more than Trump as far as trying to seize power !!
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