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Post by jwrauch on Mar 19, 2018 14:31:04 GMT -6
Shooter, what are your thoughts about anti blasphemy laws or regulations in the UK ? Seems a young lady -Lauren Southern - was banned from entering England due to taking part in a social experiment that was offensive to Muslims.
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Post by piney on Mar 19, 2018 14:42:00 GMT -6
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Post by jwrauch on Mar 19, 2018 16:19:38 GMT -6
Its starting to look like the politicians in the UK are attempting to commit national suicide.
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Post by jwrauch on Mar 21, 2018 16:45:45 GMT -6
No comment Shooter ?? Is big brother watching
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Post by Alpo on Mar 22, 2018 7:54:09 GMT -6
My opinion.
I looked at that link Piney posted.
If it was MY country (not like America is my country. The US is my country because I was born here and am a citizen. MY country, like I was the boss of it) and someone wished to enter who was stirring up trouble and/or bad feelings in MY country (and it don't matter what the trouble is - saying blacks are animals and need to be kept in cages, saying Muslims are child molesters, saying white Christians are THE DEVIL, whatever), I wouldn't let them in.
I got enough problems in MY country, without letting some furriner come in here and cause MORE problems.
I don't care what that woman did. Britain said, "We don't WANT YOU here. Go away."
As they have every right to do.
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Post by jwrauch on Mar 22, 2018 8:40:53 GMT -6
Then why is it no officials raise a fuss when Christians are made fun of It should be a level playing field for everyone !!!
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Post by bobitis on Mar 22, 2018 17:49:01 GMT -6
Here's the thing that really pulls my chain.....Who get's to determine what 'blasphemy' is? Whos' 'feewings' are 'more important' than others?
That is after all, what it's all about in todays world.
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Post by jwrauch on Mar 22, 2018 19:21:51 GMT -6
The politicians don't want the muzzies to get pi--ed off. After all they might just cut some-ones head off !!!
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Post by shooteruk on Mar 25, 2018 12:27:52 GMT -6
Hello, no comment because this slipped my notice.
Its complicated. If a UK citizen is Muslim, Jewish, Christian one thing they should not have to put up with is being offended. Having said that, whats offensive? where do we draw the line? To make matters worse we have two variables. The person speaking, or writing an the person being offended. The 'offender' may not think they were being offensive, two persons of the offended group may disagree. One thinking its offensive while the other thinks its ok. We are all entitled to our opinions after all.
Having spent time in the US I can report we have a far more integrated society here. I am not saying its better or worse, but not the same. Maybe less space and people, mostly more densely populated. Our history regarding different groups is also very different to most. While the slave trade was popular, we banned it before anyone else. The race problems seen in the 20th century in the US and S Africa for example were never seen here. Though we did have our own, smaller problems.
In this case the woman was banned for distributing leaflets saying Allah was a gay god. Well thats just offensive, point blank and I support her ban. Nothing to do with free speech, you dont insult others religion. To insult someones faith, like questioning it can cause deep harm and is very wrong.
Its also worth considering that this sort of thing is plainly meant to be inflammatory. This is someone just trying to make trouble. Not a reasoned point, a debate an alternate view. She would have known the hurt this would cause many, including the decent, law abiding Muslims of the area.
I should add, Christian groups here are fine, and not insulted or oppressed in any way. Actually, unlike the US and despite this being a Christian country church attendance is very low (some say as little as 2%), and few consider themselves Christian in anything but a passing sense. One reason the Muslims gain ground is the lack of support shown to the Christian faith. Which is interesting.
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Post by jwrauch on Apr 24, 2018 21:47:28 GMT -6
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Post by shooteruk on Apr 25, 2018 0:38:43 GMT -6
Nothing in the news here, and I cant imagine the police refusing to investigate a violent attack. Just not going to happen. I suspect this is either a minor local story somewhere thats been distorted and exaggerated, or flat out fake. I shall investigate a little.
OK, that wasn't difficult. Greater Manchester Police decided it was kids fighting in the park, and not a major crime. Frankly I applaud their position, even if a kid got hurt, though not seriously injured. The police have to decide where a report does or does not not require police action. Kids fight, unless someone used a weapon, a knife for example its just kids fighting. It happens. The police decided this was a minor affray with no serious injury. The mother wanted police action, understandable but not a wise use of police time. Manchester is a major city and there is plenty of serious crime to keep them busy. A friend on mine was a police superintendent in Manchester. His words to me once were that he had more than a couple of people die in his arms. Its more 'New York' than 'New Hampshire'.
So, IMO very exaggerated minor local story. Were some Muslim? No idea and see no relevance. Surely their religious faith has nothing to do with it? If that were made an issue by anyone, I would suspect them of trying to make trouble. A crime is a crime, no matter faith or colour. No excuse. Its true that we have had problems with gangs abusing young girls in the UK. These are predominately gangs of Pakistani origin, thus Muslims. Their race is nothing to do with it, guilty or not guilty. Given the victims are all white English girls does give it a racial element. Its a difficult one.
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