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Post by shooteruk on Dec 2, 2017 3:19:52 GMT -6
I have been giving this one a lot of thought. Mines an 1894c in .357 so maximum effective range is... not that much. My sight of choice is and always has been irons, old school you see. They also help serve to maintain the essential rifle skills. Drawbacks tactically include limited use in low light, and against a dot sight, longer to draw a bead. I noticed some debate recently between low power scopes, say 1-4 and dots. The scopes fans say with a one power its as fast as a dot (I disagree, unless at longer range) and if needed you can dial it up. But thats hardly necessary at the ranges I am talking about. I dislike the dot sight as a rule. Ugly things that depend on a battery. However after some testing of all three in various short range drills I cant escape the conclusion for short range tactical use, the dot wins. In short it gives the shooter more leaway, a wider error margin. Assuming its sighted properly, if the dots on the target and your not practicing ballet at the time, you will connect.
The great news is having decided the dot beats all (for short range tactical, 20-100 yds) I have concluded, I need another Marlin. One set up with an Aimpoint, the other with my Skinners.
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Post by unclefudd on Dec 2, 2017 18:30:12 GMT -6
Shooter, I agree absolutely. Most of my Win and Marlin Lever guns have the original open sights. The only ones that I scoped are my Marlin 45-70 and my Ruger 96 22LR. The lever guns I use are primarily brush poppers and close range and the open sights have always seemed to be quicker to acquire and still keep my game in sight when it is moving in heavy brush. UF
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Post by shooteruk on Dec 8, 2017 8:44:28 GMT -6
You know the proper use of the dot sight gives one advantage over the iron sight and scope, and thats both eyes open. Tales some practice but once your used to it,,its really fast and allows full field of view. The field of view with open irons is obviously as wide, but your still closing an eye.. Fascinating subject.
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Post by shooteruk on Dec 8, 2017 8:44:57 GMT -6
You know the proper use of the dot sight gives one advantage over the iron sight and scope, and thats both eyes open. Takes some practice but once your used to it,,its really fast and allows full field of view. The field of view with open irons is obviously as wide, but your still closing an eye.. Fascinating subject.
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Post by armedandsafe on Dec 8, 2017 18:06:18 GMT -6
Another option is what I used for 1000 yard from age 9 to 17. Triple peep sights. Lyman peep rear. Lyman hooded front with interchangeable apertures.
For hunting, I would remove the rear aperture and install the blunt post in the front sight. For target and competition I would use the rear aperture, adjusted to (almost fully) closed down and either the peep front or the fine bead.
Pops
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Post by shooteruk on Dec 10, 2017 12:23:17 GMT -6
Triple peep sights Pops, fascinating. Never seen or tried that.
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Post by armedandsafe on Dec 10, 2017 16:38:01 GMT -6
Actually, it happened somewhat by accident. I got my 30-06 Springfield and wanted new sights. I could not afford a scope (at 8 years old) so the 'smith down the street mounted that set and said "Try these." When I started competition a couple of years later, I wrote to Lyman about the interchangeable peep apertures for the front sight. I had calculated how big I wanted the aperture for the 20 inch bull at 1000 and 800 yards and how big it should be for the 12 inch bull at 600 and 500 yards.For the 8 inch bull at shorter distances the small dot worked fine. I got a letter back from one of their engineers, correcting my calculations by a tenth of a thousandth and congratulating me for thinking about that. Dad responded, and tattled my age to the engineer. I received the custom apertures the following month, with instructions on how to CAREFULLY remove a bit of the sides of the apertures so they would install properly for maintaining the proper sighting. For a 12 to 14 year old kid to come off the firing line and hear an adult whining about "That KID beat me." was, shall we say, interesting. Pops
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